From checking blood pressure readings to analyzing investment returns, Oregon State Treasurer Elizabeth Steiner has gone from medical clinician to financial tactician.

In this podcast, Steiner sits down with political analyst Rick Metsger to pull back the curtain on the sometimes opaque world of the Oregon State Treasury. They discuss a new savings plan for Oregonians that Steiner plans to introduce in the next legislative session, and Metsger even floats a novel idea for eliminating the state’s multi-billion-dollar PERS debt.

Check out the full interview below.